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The fall of capitalism??

source: 🌎0chan ♦ tags: #socialism

#1 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2020-12-31 03:30 🌎 0chan

This bothers me, okay, so capitalism will fall and give way to socialism but people are so brainwashed to be anti-communist of leftism in general. They say you can’t kill an idea but I feel like with leftism, it somehow was killed! It’s so backwards too, people describe communism as what happens under literal capitalism, that’s a mind fuck.

#2 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2020-12-31 04:07 🌎 0chan

Capitalism was able to learn from Marxism (which, at its core, is a critique of capitalism) and grow from it.
Is this system we're under now really capitalism? I think it's a weird hybrid of socialism and capitalism. When I think of "pure capitalism" I tend to think of the black market.

Socialism is most attractive when a capitalist-inspired system is failing people, in my opinion. Because if someone is comfortable under the status quo, they're not motivated to change it!

#3 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2020-12-31 05:24 🌎 0chan

Eww. Auth-lefts make me sick. The solution is never more government.

#4 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2020-12-31 08:05 🌎 0chan


Now it makes me wonder how much of history regarding communist countries has been fake news.

#5 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2020-12-31 20:50 🌎 0chan

this video from the link is interesting, because the kbg did all of that too, only ten times more
here, in brazil, we have a saying: "flour from the same sack"
different foods are served to you, but they share the same [poison] ingredient

#6 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-01-01 16:58 🌎 0chan

The problem with socialist thinkers is that there are no standards for being one. It's not like becoming a dentist. You don't have to learn anything, you don't have to have a particular position on anything aside from being vaguely anti-capitalist. Being an academic doesn't seem to help. There isn't even consensus among adult self-styled Marxists about whether people should have personal budgets post capitalism, even though Marx explicitly endorsed that (Critique of the Gotha Program). I guess it's more "creative" to blabber feel-good voo about free access and gift economies.

#7 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-01-07 22:11 🌎 0chan

no the problem with it is it doesn't work very well

#8 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-01-10 15:34 🌎 0chan

Yes it doesn't work very well because all 'ML' movements have been left-wing of capital. The USSR still suffered from crisis of overproduction etc

#8,1 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-01-11 06:57 🌎 52chan

Don't really know how to explain post-leftism besides "you know it when you see it." I would call it political cynicism (the school that's harsher than stoicism and pretty zen). It has a different approach to establishing a post-capitalist society. There's all kinds of ways to live comfortably and even live with the minimal amount of mandatory work required for living in my country. Post-leftist thought has way more of an anti-work, follow your passions attitude than ML. Bob Black's article on the San people is pretty interesting when compared with ancom / ansyn / ML (and "workerist") texts.

#9 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-02-03 15:25 🌎 0chan

33chan, come over

#10 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-02-03 15:25 🌎 0chan

33chan, come over

#11 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-03-19 08:10 🌎 0chan

How do we move beyond the current regime?
It's not likely that education (teaching the proletariat class consciousness) will motivate people to do what they need to do to affect the status quo. It seems like it's the aesthetics, the emotional aspect that drives people from one ideology to another: as Wittgenstein said, aesthetics and ethics are the same, and what is a political ideology other than a latticework of ethical principals and "culture"?

I'm sort of an accelerationist. As >>2 says, some people want socialist alternatives when they feel like "the system" sucks. There's probably ways to accelerate society without racking up federal charges too; but what might they be, besides worker/tenant unionization ?

#12 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-03-19 14:04 🌎 0chan

>The problem with socialist thinkers is that there are no standards for being one. It's not like becoming a dentist.
The standards for becoming a socialist thinker are much higher than those for becoming a dentist. A socialist thinker needs to be literate, they need to read and understand countless texts, or at least have the skills in bullshitting needed to make it seem as if they do. Socialist thinkers use a very particular type of language, you need to know all their terminology and be able to speak similarly to blend in with them.
A dentist? All a dentist needs to do is drill your teeth.
No, that's putting the standard too high. All a dentist needs to do is make damaging errors while drilling your teeth and proceed to overcharge you for it.

FCUK dentists! and FUCK those who defend them!

#12,1 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-03-21 03:12 🌎 52chan

>The standards for becoming a socialist thinker are...

1. take your butthole
2. put a fist inside
-- 2a. make love with child (bonus)
3. you are a socialist thinker

#13 )) Name: Anonymous @ 2021-04-05 03:16 🌎 0chan

>Being an academic doesn't seem to help.
In fact, it usually makes it worse.

#14 )) Name: Cum raid @ 2021-06-16 12:01 🌎 0chan

>even though Marx explicitly endorsed that
Who died and made Marx king? We've had over a century of socialist nations and attempts at socialist nations, and more theorists with different life experience and influences to expand upon their ideas and explore variations.
Newton was a legendary scientist who (afaik) deserves his iconic recognition and people around the world still benefit from learning his works. Doesn't mean classical mechanics is universal. Doesn't mean his thought on gravity were conclusive. Einstein wasn't a fool for thinking differently and contradicting him. This isn't bloody religion.


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